Lost 2/16 - I'm so LOST - please explain!!

[Gracie]

Ok we were all totally confused with Sawyer's back story last night. Was he the little boy hiding under the bed? And so who was the guy that came in and sat on the bed and shot himself? Was that his dad? Then WHO was the shrimp guy?? And who was the guy that directed Sawyer to the shrimp guy?? He said something about Sawyer taking his (the shrimp guy's??) name.

Please help - we're so lost, er, confused. ;)

Loren

[ChristyMarie]

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I have no clue. As soon as Sawyer was given the name of the person who killed his mother I was like, but wait, didn't that guy just sit on his bed when he was a kid and shoot himself??? I'm very confused as well.

The shrimp guy (as far as I understand it) was someone who owed money to the guy Sawyer was talking to. That guy, Mr X let's call him, used Sawyer as a free assassin by telling him that shrimp man killed his mother.

Or am I totally off base?

And on another topic, why do they keep introducing elements into the plot then just dropping them? Things that come to mind are the steel door Locke found and the french woman. Why did they just go away with no explanation or follow up???

[AdGirl]

sawyer was the kid under the bed. his father is the one who shot his mother and then came into the bedroom and shot himself. that's why he overtly blames the original "sawyer" for ruining his life.

one of sawyer's old partners in crime told him that the shrimp man was the original sawyer. so he went and shot him, but before he died, the man revealed that he owed money to the accomplice and that sawyer was taken for a ride.

does that help? :)

[ChristyMarie]

Got it, thanks! So Lost-Sawyer wanted to kill original-Sawyer because he was the one who ran the scam on his parents which lead to the murder-suicide by his father?

Yikes!

[CookinMode]

-The little boy at the beginning was Sawyer. It was his dad who shot his mom and then shot himself. Clues for this: When his mom his telling him to get under the bed she says, "He'll think you are still at your grandparents" which implies to me that his parents were separated. Then when Mr. X pays Sawyer his visit and is telling him about how he found the man that "changed his life forever" he moves through the story quickly, but he does indeed say that this man formerly known as Frank Sawyer had a mark against our Sawyer's father (to collect money), but he was botching the job which caused his parents' problems and ultimately their deaths. And yes, he went through this story VERY quickly. Also, we know from the previous episode that Sawyer's name is not really Sawyer, he took it from the man he believed was responsible for his parents' death.

-The shrimp guy was someone else that owed the original Frank Sawyer money, and Mr. X (which I believe may be Frank Sawyer) used our Sawyer to get rid of the shrimp guy hoping that our Sawyer would be caught and prosecuted for the murder, thus killing two birds with one stone.

[linsleyd]

Mr. X is Jack's father.
He did tell Sawyer to kill the guy in the shrimp boat thingy. My impression, though was that this guy Sawyer used men to do things to women, take their money, etc and this guy who killed Sawyer's mom and himself was one of the original Sawyers guys. He was told the original Sawyer was in Australia, he went there, Jack's father told him it was the shrimp guy. Anyone else have any other ideas?:)

The boar is supposed to be the guy Sawyer killed. I just went to Television Without Pity and they said the guy in the bar was fellow con guy Hibbs.
Good lord...

[gertdog]

Well, that was one Sawyerlicious episode, even if his backstory is awfully depressing. Loved the "I Never" game with Kate and Sawyer.

So- the voice Sawyer heard in the jungle- that was the voice of the man he killed, right? When he was dying he said something like "It'll come back around" and I think that's what the voice in the jungle said. And so the implication from Locke's dog story is that Sawyer thinks the boar is after him because it somehow represents the man he wrongly killed? And the man Sawyer met in the bar was Jack's father??? Whew.

Okay- is it just me, or have the previews for the past two weeks' episodes not matched up with what we actually see in the show??

The preview for last week's show had a scene with Locke on his back in the mud and Jack on top of him, looking angry. I don't think it ever happened on the show.

The preview for this week's show had a scene with Jack and Sawyer and the gun, and showed Jack saying "It's not worth it" as Sawyer points the gun at him. Again, never happened on the show. On the show, Sawyer came along, said "Stick 'em up" while pointing the gun, and Jack said something like "Is this your idea of a joke?" and then after some banter Sawyer handed over the gun.

What's up with that?

[gertdog]

Oh! And I loved the scene where Hurley and Charlie were burying Ethan, and Hurley talks about how this is the part in the horror movie where the dead guy springs back to life and he'll catch Hurley first... and then the camera cut to the shrouded body of Ethan. Did anyone else think it looked like the shroud was moving up and down, as if Ethan was breathing??? :eek:

[linsleyd]

Stephanie, they were talking about that on the radio, here. The theory the dj's came up with is at some point they'll go back to the grave and find Ethan gone. Wouldn't surprise me!

[CookinMode]

Originally posted by linsleyd
Mr. X is Jack's father.
He did tell Sawyer to kill the guy in the shrimp boat thingy. My impression, though was that this guy Sawyer used men to do things to women, take their money, etc and this guy who killed Sawyer's mom and himself was one of the original Sawyers guys. He was told the original Sawyer was in Australia, he went there, Jack's father told him it was the shrimp guy. Anyone else have any other ideas?:)

The boar is supposed to be the guy Sawyer killed. I just went to Television Without Pity and they said the guy in the bar was fellow con guy Hibbs.
Good lord...

The man I was referring to as Mr. X was the man that was in Sawyer's hotel room when he came back with the woman. That is Hibbs. Hibbs was not in the bar with Sawyer, that was Jack's father. Definitely two different people, according to imdb's guest stars page. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0411008/guests) (spoiler warning! they list guest stars for the next two episodes so don't look at the bottom of the list if you don't want to be spoiled!)

I still think that Hibbs is the original Sawyer, he has just changed his name. OR, he is working for Sawyer.

Ok, I didn't catch Ethan breathing, but WOW! I was kind of hoping he would come back because killing him killed part of the suspense in my opinion. But if we are to believe the previews for next week, more people are showing up?!

And I agree with you Stephanie, some of the previews have been kind of mis-leading. Especially the one for this week.

Khara

[sneezles]

Originally posted by gertdog
Okay- is it just me, or have the previews for the past two weeks' episodes not matched up with what we actually see in the show??

The preview for last week's show had a scene with Locke on his back in the mud and Jack on top of him, looking angry. I don't think it ever happened on the show.

The preview for this week's show had a scene with Jack and Sawyer and the gun, and showed Jack saying "It's not worth it" as Sawyer points the gun at him. Again, never happened on the show. On the show, Sawyer came along, said "Stick 'em up" while pointing the gun, and Jack said something like "Is this your idea of a joke?" and then after some banter Sawyer handed over the gun.

What's up with that?

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that? I think that's why I was so confused last week with the gun Charlie shot Ethan with. The "previously" on Lost bit before the episode begins just don't jive with what I've watched (and I haven't missed any of them).

[Gracie]

DH figured out that the guy in the bar was Jack's father. I was talking about the Mr. X in the hotel room (DH said the hotel guy was on X-Files).

So the gist of it is that our Sawyer got conned into killing someone he had no reason to kill and that as a young boy his parents were part of a murder-suicide.

This is getting to be a cross between X-Files and Twin Peaks!

Loren

[sneezles]

Originally posted by Gracie
DH figured out that the guy in the bar was Jack's father. I was talking about the Mr. X in the hotel room (DH said the hotel guy was on X-Files).

So the gist of it is that our Sawyer got conned into killing someone he had no reason to kill and that as a young boy his parents were part of a murder-suicide.

This is getting to be a cross between X-Files and Twin Peaks!

Loren

We'd actually had already met Jack's father.

[momqat]

Originally posted by gertdog
Did anyone else think it looked like the shroud was moving up and down, as if Ethan was breathing??? :eek:

Stephanie, I saw that too!!! :eek: When I told my DH, "look, Ethan's breathing!", he said I was just seeing things, that they wouldn't use a real actor for the scene, but a dummy, since it's supposed to be a dead body. But I KNOW I saw that shroud moving up and down, and it wasn't just being blown about by the island breezes. ;)

[linsleyd]

Originally posted by CookinMode


The man I was referring to as Mr. X was the man that was in Sawyer's hotel room when he came back with the woman. That is Hibbs. Hibbs was not in the bar with Sawyer, that was Jack's father. Definitely two different people, according to imdb's

Sorry, I was getting confused...:D :rolleyes: You have to pay such close attention to everything and last nights show was just plain confusing!

[RunnerKim]

Whew - okay. that through me for a loop that Jack's dad would be the original Sawyer! Glad that got straightened out.

DH had to explain to me about it being Sawyer's dad that shot his mom and himself as I too originally thought it was the con man. I too wonder if Huber isn't the original Sawyer. That was pretty nasty to use Sawyer to kill the shrimp guy.

I wonder how Sawyer and Jack's relationship will develop now. If Sawyer will have more respect for Jack now (because of what Jack's father said). I didn't think Sawyer could tell Jack about the conversation - just wouldn't be in character. So was Sawyer arrested for the Shrimp buy's murder or something else (remember he was in the background when whats-his-name was trying to intervene for his sister/spoiled girl - wow I'm blanking on names).

I hadn't caught Ethan breathing :eek: but I do think there are others on the island and Claire/baby are not safe.

Kim

[RebeccaT]

Originally posted by Gracie
(DH said the hotel guy was on X-Files).



Yep, he was also in Terminator 2, remember the machine that would liquify into mercury and then reform into a machine?

For whatever reason, I was able to follow the episode last night. It made me so sad for Sawyer, who thought that he would find peace if he could get revenge on the man who he thought destroyed his family... he probably wouldn't have been able to let those demons go, but now he's double-y tormented because he's now killed a man.

I was fascinated by the whole thing with Jack's dad in the bar. I wonder if Jack will ever find out what his dad really thought of him.

I don't think we've seen the last of Ethan, either, but who knows on this island!

[RunnerKim]

Do we know how Jack's dad died? I can't recall??? Was it suicide?

I think it would be great closure for Jack to learn what his dad thought of him, but he doesn't need it per say (It seems he's more or less come to terms with his dad). Now Jack's mom might need to know.

I think everyone on this island has killed someone! Okay that's a bit of a stretch but it's starting to seem that way.

[funniegrrl]

This is a show where EVERYTHING matters, so you really have to watch each episode to keep up.

As far as Sawyer and Jack, remember that Sawyer not only knows more about Jack and knows his father was proud of him, but Jack's father also convinced him to go out and kill the shrimp man after all, and it turned out to be the wrong guy. So ... you can see where he might blame Jack's father for this as well as Hibbs.

[Sarah428]

It made me so sad for Sawyer, who thought that he would find peace if he could get revenge on the man who he thought destroyed his family... he probably wouldn't have been able to let those demons go, but now he's double-y tormented because he's now killed a man.
I felt awful watching him as a little boy under that bed! I don't know if it's the new mom in me or what but I just about broke down crying:o.

I think it would be great closure for Jack to learn what his dad thought of him, but he doesn't need it per say (It seems he's more or less come to terms with his dad). Now Jack's mom might need to know.
You know that Sawyer is going to hold onto that info and use it to his advantage. And can you imagine being Jack's Mom, not knowing what has happened to either of them!

Can't wait for next week :)

[Clara]

Originally posted by RebeccaT
Yep, he was also in Terminator 2, remember the machine that would liquify into mercury and then reform into a machine?

That's the first thing I said to DH, oh look it's the Terminator. I didn't have any problems following it either, but I tend to watch these episodes without distractions, so I can see that if you looked away for a moment you could be utterly lost (pardon the pun).

I thought last night's episode was wonderful. I can't believe how much I'm liking Sawyer...and I find myself wanting him with Kate...

I totally missed Ethan breathing...I was too busy watching his hand to see if it would move!

[funniegrrl]

Sawyer is ONE HOT HOMEBOY from my home state. Man alive. And I'm not generally attracted to "bad boys" ...

*swoon*

[Blissful_in_TX]

I just remembered I had last night's episode on video (it's on a timer). I rewound it and Ethan was definitely breathing. I totally missed it the first time!