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linsleyd
05-16-2005, 01:32 PM
Court Eliminates Bans On Buying Out-Of-State Wines

POSTED: 11:02 am EDT May 16, 2005
UPDATED: 11:26 am EDT May 16, 2005

Wine lovers may buy directly from out-of-state vineyards, the Supreme Court ruled Monday, striking down laws banning a practice that has flourished because of the Internet and growing popularity of winery tours.





The 5-4 decision strikes down laws in New York and Michigan that make it a crime to buy wine directly from vineyards in another state. In all, 24 states have laws that bar interstate shipments.

The state bans are discriminatory and anti-competitive, the court said.

"States have broad power to regulate liquor," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the majority. "This power, however, does not allow states to ban, or severely limit, the direct shipment of out-of-state wine while simultaneously authorizing direct shipment by in-state producers."



"If a state chooses to allow direct shipments of wine, it must do so on evenhanded terms," he wrote.

Kennedy was joined in his opinion by Justices Antonin Scalia, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer.

At issue was the 21st Amendment, which ended Prohibition in 1933 and granted states authority to regulate alcohol sales. Nearly half the states subsequently passed laws requiring outside wineries to sell their products through licensed wholesalers within the state.

But the Constitution also prohibits states from passing laws that discriminate against out-of-state businesses. That led to a challenge to laws in Michigan and New York, which allow direct shipments for in-state wineries but not out-of-state ones.

In a dissent, Justice Clarence Thomas argued that the ruling needlessly overturns long-established regulations aimed partly at protecting minors. State regulators under the 21st Amendment have clear authority to regulate alcohol as the see fit, he wrote.

"The court does this nation no service by ignoring the textual commands of the Constitution and acts of Congress," Thomas wrote.

He was joined in his opinion by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist, as well as Justices Sandra Day O'Connor and John Paul Stevens.

Copyright 2005 by NBC10.com The Associated Press contributed to this report. All rights reserved. This material

badunnin
05-16-2005, 01:33 PM
WOOHOOO!!!!

linsleyd
05-16-2005, 02:01 PM
That's exactly what I was thinking!:D

AndreaU
05-16-2005, 02:34 PM
Yahoo! It's about time... http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/ernaehrung/food-smiley-022.gif Bottoms up!

Chefzhat
05-16-2005, 02:35 PM
Yea!

Funny thing about this - this was my Court Case study project in my most recent Poli Sci class - very informative.

I concur with the decision!

lindrusso
05-16-2005, 02:50 PM
Is this just for these 3 states or all states that ban shipments? Indiana is another state that doesn't allow wine shipments. :mad:

That's a step in the right direction, but what about ordering from wine retailers? As I read it, this simply allows shipment directly from vineyards, but what about from places like Sam's Wine and Spirits in Chicago or other discount retailers? That's where I really want to order from! :D ;)

Alysha :)

Schmee
05-16-2005, 02:50 PM
OH YEAH!!!!!!!
I was just thinking about this the other day when I was visiting some wine website. But does this mean that we can ONLY buy from the winery direct and not just any out-of-state, mail order purveyor?
I have a friend who used to have her cases of wine shipped to her dad in Indiana because they did not have the same law.

lindrusso
05-16-2005, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by Schmee
I have a friend who used to have her cases of wine shipped to her dad in Indiana because they did not have the same law.

That's a new one on me! ;) We actually DO have that law, but some businesses may not abide by it. My husband has had birthday presents from a wine-of-the-month club that have shipped here, but they are not supposed to. Online retailers do not usually even list IN as a state that they can ship to. I wish we didn't have the law, though!

JHaris
05-16-2005, 03:20 PM
This is great! When DH and I were in San Francisco two years ago I was so disappointed after a tour of the Mondavi Vineyards that we couldn't get wine shipped to Pennsylvania. We had tasted several good white wines and while the others were busily putting in their orders we had to stand back and watch.

The law seemed so antique by preventing you from purchasing wine from vinyards in other states and having it shipped. I guess the only way would be to drive and load up your car, but then the PA liquor control board would want to collect the tax when you crossed over the state line. They would watch for PA licenses in front of liquor stores in Delaware and New Jersey to watch for "illegal?" purchases. If you got stopped, they could actually fine you and take your car, so I understand. Of course this is a different situation than shipping wine, but still has the same basic roots. Controlling your purchases.

Pennsylvania sometimes appears to be in the "dark ages" regarding alcohol although they seem to be getting better with a wider range of wines from which to chose.

Question: do liquor stores in other states require you to order a case if you want a wine that they do not regularly carry? Curious.

Schmee
05-16-2005, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by lindrusso


That's a new one on me! ;) We actually DO have that law, but some businesses may not abide by it. My husband has had birthday presents from a wine-of-the-month club that have shipped here, but they are not supposed to. Online retailers do not usually even list IN as a state that they can ship to. I wish we didn't have the law, though!

Alysha,maybe I'm wrong about the state. I thought it was Indiana, I will have to ask her because it has been a few years.
I think she bought cases from Wine.com.

Escher
05-16-2005, 03:38 PM
On one hand, the libertarian in me says the less regulations, the better...

On the other, I do want to protect state's rights to setup their own laws...

interesting ramifications for minors, though... (I strongly believe the drinking age should be no higher than the voting/draft age)

sneezles
05-16-2005, 04:09 PM
Alysha,
If Indiana allows wine shipments from in state producers then this decision will allow out-of-state shipments but if Indiana doesn't allow for any direct sale shipment then it will no effect.

Molli526
05-16-2005, 04:55 PM
Yay!!!! :D