Lost

[Escher]

Doesn't it start tonight?...

put your buzz here!

http://www.inner-moppet.net/locke/pics/top.jpg

[Dahlia]

Since I bought the Season 1 DVD set, I guess I'm an official Lost geek, so I'll go first...

My theory is that the island is some kind of stage, and the Losties are unwilling actors. It's real in a sense that it exists (not a product of someone's dream or conciousness), but not real as most of us would define reality. I see the island as something equivalent to Star Trek's holodeck. The hatch is the portal that connects the stage to the real world. So, if the Losties come down the hatch, they will discover that real world, as one might walk through the holodeck doors and discover that they're really on a spaceship, not some tropical island.

There. That's my theory...

Oh by the way, Sawyer should never be allowed to put a shirt back on again! :D

[gertdog]

Wheeee! Lost is back!

I read that we are going to see what's in the hatch tonight (really and truly- the producers promise). Also, the introduction of new regular cast members suggests that we will be seeing a lot more of the Others, or that we're going to find out there were more survivors from the tail of the plane (I am guessing they would not be joining the regular cast if they were only going to appear in flashback scenes).

Right now I'm most interested in seeing what happens to Jin, Sawyer and Michael after they were attacked on the raft and Walt was taken.

[Sarah45]

I have been waiting for this all summer!!

I have no theories on what will happen this season or what the overall secret is - I like going along for the ride on this one :D

While all of the news on new cast members could mean that we will see more of the "others" or survivors from the tail of the plane, it could also just be that we are meeting more of the 30-some initial survivors.

That's why I love this show - you just never know!

[Dahlia]

I've posted this on another thread, but since it's the day of the new season... Here is a link to the biggest collection of Lost spoilers I've seen, if anyone's interested. The spoilers don't give the important stuff away (ie... what's in the hatch?), but it does give you enough hints to whet your appetite or get the gears turning in your head. Here's the link...

http://www.spoilerfix.com/lost.php

[funniegrrl]

It looks like they're doing a "review" show in the hour before the premiere, so if you have any friends who aren't on the bandwagon yet, this would be a good way for them to get in the groove.

The BEST source for Lost info that I've found is Kristin Veitch on E!Online. She does a column every Friday and a live chat every Monday, and she's a big Lost fan so she always has lots of scoop and well-marked spoilers if you're so inclined. This week she had a guest on the chat, Damon Lindelof.

The most recent column is here:
http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Archive2005/050916.html

Monday's chat is here:
http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Kristin/Trans/Lindelof/index.html

There's lots of good dish both places!

[KimE]

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Oh by the way, Sawyer should never be allowed to put a shirt back on again! :D[/QUOTE]

:D :D :D
And we have a big screen TV :p :p
Kim

[Sarah428]

I read in EW this morning that there is going to be a love triange between Jack, Kate and that girl he had a drink w/ in the airport lounge. And, as already posted, we get to see what's in the hatch tonight.

[AndreaU]

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I want to see what's in that d#&$ hatch! (I'm preparing myself for a letdown, though... can it really be THAT good?) The whole storyline with "The Others" and those from the tail of the plane, though, should be intriguing.

So Dahlia, you think it's like The Truman Show? :p

[Jewel]

I've been looking forward to this!! :D:D:D

I'm still not sure exactly what's going on, I'm just going to enjoy it week by week. Well, that and imagine myself curling up in one of Sawyer's dimples. :p

The biggest surprise I got was reading that Kate and Charlie are an 'item' now in real life! :eek:

[Escher]

Fun episode, but I absolutely _must_ stop reading spoilers.

I'd rather the island be a more spiritual place than a technological wonderground underground...so that was a bit of a downer....

but, as always, the show left me wanting more....

[Dahlia]

A couple of things I thought worth pointing out:

1) The word "quarentine" was written on the INSIDE of the hatch, which indicates that what's being quarentined is not on the inside, but on the OUTSIDE of the hatch.

2) Did anyone else noticed that when Desmond was going through his routine at the very beginning of the episode, there was light going through his window? (The window had closed venician blinds, but there was clearly light coming through.)This was supposed to be in the middle of the night on the island, yet, there seems to be light shining INTO a supposedly underground hole. And why are there WINDOWS in an underground hole in the first place? Is Desmond's pad really underground?

3) Also, on a similar note, when Jack was looking around that "underground" dome, was it me, or did it look like city lights outside the glass windows? Dang it, wish I had taped it....

Anyone noticed anything else of note?

[Escher]

A couple of things I thought worth pointing out:

1) The word "quarentine" was written on the INSIDE of the hatch, which indicates that what's being quarentined is not on the inside, but on the OUTSIDE of the hatch.

2) Did anyone else noticed that when Desmond was going through his routine at the very beginning of the episode, there was light going through his window? (The window had closed venician blinds, but there was clearly light coming through.)This was supposed to be in the middle of the night on the island, yet, there seems to be light shining INTO a supposedly underground hole. And why are there WINDOWS in an underground hole in the first place? Is Desmond's pad really underground?

3) Also, on a similar note, when Jack was looking around that "underground" dome, was it me, or did it look like city lights outside the glass windows? Dang it, wish I had taped it....

Anyone noticed anything else of note?

I definitely noticed the quarantine being on the inside, rather than the outside. However, that could just be the writer's lack of foresight--also, if it was on the outside, that would be a pretty big deterrant to going in.

Similarly with light shining in his apt...a slip in the set design.

The dome didn't particularly strike me as having a citylike outside, but I wasn't looking for it. It really reminded me of "Lost in Space" type computer stuff though... I kept expecting evil Dr. Smith or "Robot" to round the corner.

[Dahlia]

I definitely noticed the quarantine being on the inside, rather than the outside. However, that could just be the writer's lack of foresight--also, if it was on the outside, that would be a pretty big deterrant to going in.

Similarly with light shining in his apt...a slip in the set design.

The dome didn't particularly strike me as having a citylike outside, but I wasn't looking for it. It really reminded me of "Lost in Space" type computer stuff though... I kept expecting evil Dr. Smith or "Robot" to round the corner.

I disagree: Having windows in an underground bunker would be consider a HUGE blunder, not a slip or oversight. Someone is hired to build that set to fit the story, and NO ONE noticed that there's a freegin' window??

By the way, it's been said by the writers that the set, the lines, the plot, all are done in exquisite details - and that NOTHING is coincidental. Okay, so I don't buy that there are never slips here and there, but I'm convinced that the placement of the word "quarentine" and the light shining through a window in an underground room is something that was intentional.

One proof: Did anyone noticed that Desmond's injection had a label with Hurley's numbers on it. The numbers were teeny tiny, and you would have to have a huge screen to even SEE it. But they were there.

Proof #2: A radio station was doing a review on Lost's premier, and they were talking about how Walt, in his appearance to Shannon in the woods, was talking BACKWARDS! If you play that scene as is, Walt's speech to Shannon was gibberish. If you play that speech backwards, he's saying something to the effect of "Don't press the button!" (The button that Jack almost pressed on Desmond's computer)

I don't think that people who plan this level of details would let huge slips like the ones above pass. They must be intentional...

[Escher]

Did you catch: Time of death? (8:15)

The man who died was "Rutherford"...who do we know that shares that name?
:cool:

[Escher]

Ok, I'll cede the set design probably wasn't a mistake.

However, it is conceivable that the writers write themselves into corners... and decided to make the hatch a quarantined area _after_ already showing the outside.

That scene w/ Walt talking absolutely gave me the willies.

[leebee]

It left me thirsting for more...

My prediction--Desmond will show up in more "memories" from other survivors. Is reality real? Not one bit, it's all constructed and orchestrated. That's my take, anyway.

[Dahlia]

it is conceivable that the writers write themselves into corners... and decided to make the hatch a quarantined area _after_ already showing the outside.

If they decided the quarentine what's in the hatch AFTER having shown the outside already, wouldn't it be easier (and more believable) to have the losties find a "Quarentine" sign under a bush, all beat up and broken as if it as been displaced by someone, or something? I could think of many more, and better ways, they could have backed themselves out of that corner than to put the "quarentine" on the inside of the hatch, where it would make no sense...

Good call on the time of death! I totally missed it!

[Escher]

Some answers:
Hurley confirms he was actually a patient at the psysch ward, not just a visitor.
Large underground magnetic influence explains the compass errors...

Anyone catch the aisle numbers Jack was on when he tripped?

Oh, and FTR:
The song they played at the top of the episode was MAKE YOUR OWN KIND OF MUSIC as sung by Mama Cass (Of the Mama and the Papas)
That was a big hit song in the 70s ....

[Escher]

What was the rhyme that Hurley says right after reciting the numbers....?

[Beachside]

Ooooooooooooo.....I taped it to watch tonight. Now I have a heads up for some of the things to be watching for.

Don't know where this show is going, but I am (usually) enjoying the ride....and I'll check here later to see if there are any more tantalizing tidbits.

:D

[Escher]

Walt was talking backwards...here's the forwards translation:
"press the button, no button's bad."

Shivers.

Hurley's statement:
He's repearting the numbers and inbetween some of them he says "were dead....dead, dead" and then Kate asks if he's alright, he replies that he just has to go to the bathroom and then, when she walks away, he says "good idea, go look in the burning death hole"

[nowimcooking]

Sorry but I forget....is it Shannon whose last name is Rutherford?

I have JUST gotten into this series because we were waiting for the dvds so we could watch it in high def and with no commercials, but now DH and I are hooked -- we had to watch the season 2 premiere last night. There was no way we could wait another year to find out what was going to happen.

What were the aisle numbers when Jack tripped? I'm going to have to start paying WAY more attention.

[Dahlia]

Walt was talking backwards...here's the forwards translation:
"press the button, no button's bad."

Shivers.

Some are saying that it's "DON'T press the button...", some say "Where's the button?",

Here's a sound clip, and you can judge for yourself what it actually says (by the way, I had to turn the sound way up to even hear it):
http://www.foxmod.com/lost/Walt.mp3

To me, it sounded like the clip was missing the "Don't", and that Walt was shushed at the end. So in its entirety the statement sounds to me like: "[Don't] press the button. The button's bad (Shush!)" Anybody hear something else?

And lastly, yes, Shannon's last name is Rutherford!

[Escher]

Theory from a fansite:
Desmond didn't use a regular method for injection, i.e., syringe, but instead used what looked like a Biotech Injector, which is a device that administers medication by "shooting" it through the skin with compressed CO2, and was developed for people such as diabetics so that they don't have to do constant needle injections. It's a fairly new technology, maybe the last ten years. Anyways, my theory is that Desmond is a bubble boy, someone with a seriously compromised immune system, which would explain why he took so many meds in the opening sequence, and why the rest of the world is quarantined....

[funniegrrl]

And lastly, yes, Shannon's last name is Rutherford!

OOOHHHHHHH! Bet that was Shannon's dad.

[Dahlia]

Anyways, my theory is that Desmond is a bubble boy, someone with a seriously compromised immune system, which would explain why he took so many meds in the opening sequence, and why the rest of the world is quarantined....

How would you explain his jogging up and down the stadium steps with Jack in the open air? Unless you also submit to the twin theory? (Did you noticed in the season finale, two of the men in the "Other's" boat were twins? Also, we're now seeing another "Walt")

[2HUNGRY!]

I think that we'll be seeing a lot more of Desmond in future flashbacks. I'll bet we find out later that Desmond was the one in the mental institution that gave Hurley the "winning" numbers. We may never know though who gave Jack that bad flashback hair cut.

Also, we've heard Locke say a lot that the island gives you what you want. My theory is that we could see light and cityscapes in Desmond's home because he wanted to see that. Also, where would he get eggs and fruit for his smoothie? Did he imagine that or is it some kind of virtual reality? Did you notice that he took a shower but was still dirty when Jack saw him later? Also, it appeared in the shower that his hair was not getting wet. I think that he takes the drugs just to keep him alive (either that or its steroids and wants to play for the Yankees).

My other theory was that Charlie was some sort of projection. Did you notice Desmond's fondness for mirrors and all of the tapes he had?

[leebee]

I still think that Desmond is a caretaker to keep those that are quarantined are up top & manipulate their environment. Otherwise, why the elaborate mirror system & all the firearms below? The meds likely are to protect him from whatever infected the rest of them--or what they were infected with.

[Escher]

I had trouble w/ Dahlia's link, so here's another:

I've reversed Walt's audio, you can listen to it here:
lost.cubit.net/audio/walt_audio.wav

It says something along the lines of...
Press the button. Don't. The button is bad.
Press the button. No button is bad.
Press the button. The button is bad.
Where's the button. The button is bad.

[Heidi]

Some other tidbits people noticed from another board I frequent:

**the logo on the cabinet where the vials were stored was also on the jumpsuit the guy put on.

**Some things were painted on the wall of the bunker. Specifically people have noticed, 108, 42, and Sick. Well, 4+8+15+16+23+42 =108

**We know the songs are significant. Here are the lyrics to last night's song:
Make Your Own Kind of Music
(Sung by Mama Cass)

Nobody can tell ya
There's only one song worth singing
They may try and sell ya
Cause it hangs them up
To see someone like you

You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along

It can't be nowhere
The loneliest kind of lonely
It may be
Just to do your thing is the hardest things to do

You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along

And if you will not take my hand
Then I must be going, I'll understand

You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along

You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along

You gotta make your own kind of music
Sing your own special song
Make your own kind music
Even if nobody else sings along

No no no no
Even if nobody else sings along
If nobody else sings along

**Adam Rutherford, Shannon's dad, is the guy that died on the table

**Click here for a fun little spoiler (maybe) (http://www.oceanicflight815.com/) down at the bottom of the page you'll see several dots...cilck on them and for the code type: theislandiswaiting

**Something else that was mentioned ... Adam Rutherford, when we played that back on TIVO one frame at a time the guy that was laying there LOOKED JUST LIKE LOCKE. My DH and I looked at each other and then back at the screen. We couldn't believe our eyes. Wonder what that means? <note: I haven't seen this myself, this is just what someone posted>

[funniegrrl]

I think there's some confusion here about the underground scenes. The scene at the beginning of the show obviously took place in the past. Everything was new and shiny. It's hard for me to date the equip, but the computer terminal looked to be early '80s vintage? Maybe earlier. Of course he uses a turntable and LPs not CDs or digital player. Of course it could all be vintage equipment, but remember everything looks pristine.

When we see Desmond and the chamber at the end of the show, everything is dirty, dank, grungy, obviously a lot of time has passed and things haven't been maintained.

I'm also not convinced that Desmond is the guy in the beginning of the show. The age of that stuff would put his encounter with Jack BETWEEN the flashback and the current encounter.

[2HUNGRY!]

I don't think it took place in the past, because remember we saw the explosion from when the hatch was blown up.

[stacy7272]

Just a few more number tidbits I got from a TV Guide review:

1. The speedometer of the stationary bike Desmond was riding was at 16 mph.

2. When Desmond was opening the safe the last number of the combination was 42.

[learningtocook]

I love this show! There are so many twists and turns in every single scene... I can't wait to see where the writers take us. And I don't think that there is ever a set mistake like the windows. Everything that is there is there for a reason. The whole Kate going down the shaft and then Jack freaked me out so much! I had to put my tv on mute because it seemed less scary without the omnious music. Can't wait til next week!
I wonder if when Desmond gave Jack that advice, the lift it up (talking about his leg) it meant anything in the island world too? Love all of the theories!

[funniegrrl]

I don't think it took place in the past, because remember we saw the explosion from when the hatch was blown up.

Just because the camera moved from the "apartment" through the tunnel and up the hatch after we heard the explosion doesn't mean they existed at the same time.

[leebee]

Just because the camera moved from the "apartment" through the tunnel and up the hatch after we heard the explosion doesn't mean they existed at the same time.


And, didn't Rousseau use the dynamite at some point previously? It was there from the Blackrock, so it could have blown at any point in the history of the island. Though, truthfully I don't think it's a good idea to get too invested in literal timelines in this show.

[Dahlia]

I think there's some confusion here about the underground scenes. The scene at the beginning of the show obviously took place in the past. Everything was new and shiny. It's hard for me to date the equip, but the computer terminal looked to be early '80s vintage? Maybe earlier. Of course he uses a turntable and LPs not CDs or digital player. Of course it could all be vintage equipment, but remember everything looks pristine.

When we see Desmond and the chamber at the end of the show, everything is dirty, dank, grungy, obviously a lot of time has passed and things haven't been maintained.

The dated equipment might simply mean that the equipment was put there in the '80s (or whenever) and haven't been replaced since.

The disconnection I saw was right when he injected himself. Before injection: clean Desmond, apartment lit. After the injection: Desmond's face was dirty, scene is dark all around, twilight zone begins. The injection might be key here.

By the way, my memory might be failing me here, but the dirty and grungy part was in the tunnel that leads to the hatch, not the actual apartment. There was mud and dirt in the tunnel, but I don't remember the actual dwelling part to be dirty and grungy....

[2HUNGRY!]

Just because the camera moved from the "apartment" through the tunnel and up the hatch after we heard the explosion doesn't mean they existed at the same time.

No, but didn't we see dust and ceiling tiles falling down? So there was some sort of explosion I think.

Anyway, I agree that timelines aren't important on this show. The writers are just going to turn everything upside down anyway.

I did read a crazy internet theory though that everyone has a twin that is 26 years younger than them and that the Desmond in the hatch is the younger twin to the one who was doing the stadium run. I'll see if I can find it.

[Dahlia]

I did read a crazy internet theory though that everyone has a twin that is 26 years younger than them and that the Desmond in the hatch is the younger twin to the one who was doing the stadium run. I'll see if I can find it.

You mean this theory?: (copied and pasted from another fan site)


I recently found an interesting natuarlly occuring thoery found in our world that states everyone has a mirror image somewhere in the world. You may have heard of this. Its called Roussau's genetic mirror theory, and I must say it is very interesting. Roussau's genetic mirror theory says that everyone in the world has an exact twin somewhere, however according to the theory you never encounter this person, by laws of probablitly and other natuaral occuring phemnomen. Its the theory that was devised by a French Mathematician named Marseille Roussau in the year 1988. He used a series of numbers to explain his theory. Now I know you're not going to believe this but here goes.


4 8 15 16 23 42


The 4 stands for 4 degrees of separation (not 6 or 7 as commonly stated.) Roussau believed that everyone in the world was connected by four different people. So in theory could meet yourself by using four different people connected to you. Example: Your brother's, boss's, neighbor nephew, knows your mirror. Hard to believe, I know but keep reading.

The 8 stands for the eight continent, or the only place in the world where you could meet your mirror. He calculated it to be somewhere in the south pacific. Now we know its not actually as large as the other contintents but its used figurtively because everyone in all 7 continents could meet there mirror on the 8th universal continent.

The 15 stands for the chances of you acually meeting yourself on this place, as in 15 out of 4,815,162,342. Look at the second set "815." Ring any bells? Interesting huh?

The 16 stands for the maximum amount of people that could encounter thier twin all at the same time. Think about the number of main characters.

The 23 is the number of years apart your twin and yourself are. You are not the same age as your twin. By chance and probablity it takes 23 years exactly for the same genes that made you to be connected again to form another you.

The 42 stands for the maximimum number of years your twin and yourself can be alive at the same time. However people do die at diffferent times so thats why everyone isn't dead at 75. For example my twin was born on Sept. 6 2003 b/c i was born on Spet. 6 1980. Now that doesn't mean i will die in the year 2045, I could, but its not set in stone. My twin could die when he is 16, and then the whole thing starts over again.

This is all very complicated and I don't know how well I explained it but the connections with the show are too coinidental to not be real.

Roussau and his team (wife, included) went to the 8th continent. You can figure out how they died and why by the numbers and equations. It also fits with every character. You can predict when they will die. There are others on the island who are twins of the survivors, but have been there 23 years longer.

There is a book Roussau wrote 16 years ago in 1988 when he came up with the theory.

[2HUNGRY!]

Ooops, Dahlia beat me to it. Yes, that's the one. Don't think its true, but would explain the whole timeline thing.

[learningtocook]

this might be the dumbest question, but that is a theory in the real world, or the world of LOST?

[Jewel]

Hubby thinks that the 'hatch' is an abandoned missle silo of some kind and that some type of creepy nuclear crud seeped out, which is the reason for the quarantine. Not sure how I feel about this, but it's a thought.

I think Desmond has been there since the 70's when most of that stuff was made, and he time-travels (beams? Where's Scotty?? :confused: ) into each of the losties lives at one time or another to bring them to the island somehow. We're going to see more of him in flashbacks of the others, I'm sure.

Everyone realizes that Sarah is Jack's future wife, right? It actually took me a minute to figure that one out. :o

After the third episode last season my father told me "That Walt kid is the key to the whole thing...." and I didn't believe him. That'll teach me to trust a 35 year CSI man to always look at the evidence. :p

The only flashback I can't remember well is Claire's with her baby...will somebody remind me? Did that psychic tell her that she HAD to be the one to raise her baby? That she couldn't give him up?? Or that she HAD to give him up? :confused: I can't remember! He's the one that told her about the couple in LA and made SURE she got on that flight...the psychic made sure she was on that flight. So where does the baby fit into all this? Is he some sort of Devil's Spawn or something?

I love a show that makes me crazy.......:D

[jking323]

Hi, I'm new here, but my wife talks about these Lost discussions all the time, so I thought I could share insights. I'm still getting used to the general dynamic of the thread, but if nobody minds, I think I'll just jump right in with some random thoughts:

1. I don't think the window in the underground apt is a fluke or a blunder. The place was obviously built to house one or more people securely underground for a long time. Living undergroud in the dark forever would seriously mess up most people's biorythms (when do you sleep/eat?, etc.). So it sould be a light panel of some kind behind a blind/window treatment, meant to give the illusion of natural light. I've even seen similar types of things on home design shows that try and dress up little studio apartments in cities, that have no real windows (or face a wall or something).

2. The whole numbers theory from this Rousseau character sounds just a tad contrived, but maybe I'm missing the point.

3. I won't comment on whether or not the intro was set on the same day they blew the hatch until I watch it again, although my gut says it was.

Finally, I should say up front that I'm an aerospace engineer and lover of sci-fi, so I'm not really pulling for some sort of "spiritual" setting for the island (like the whole Purgatory theory that I've heard about). I like the "wonderground underground" idea, and that there may be a real-world explanation for everything. Allowing people to simply jump through dimensions or something to be both on the island and off, and whatnot, seems too easy. There are no rules to that, no boundaries. Whew, that was rough.

I look forward to a great season and all kinds of wild speculation (which you'll hear at least some of from this direction).

[linsleyd]

jking, welcome!

I don't have much to add, but I did realize Sarah was going to be Jack's wife. I did hear on the radio Walt speaking and it did sound like Press the button, no button's bad.

What is going on with Claire's baby, they really haven't shown anything. Jewel, I thought the psychic told her she had to raise the baby, now I'm not so sure-I had forgotten about the couple in LA. Maybe the psychic putting her on the airplane was deliberate because then she would crash and have to raise the child...

[Escher]

Yeah, not a big fan of writers who resort to making stuff up on the fly... Lost could very easily dissolve into that.

Anyone remember a sci-fi sceries about an alien invasion...

I seem to remember Kevin Bacon in it... and it was a letter... X or something.

And the guy who was the sargeant in Starship Troopers and also in "Total Recall" as a bad guy was also in it.

Vague enough for ya?

Anyhow, that show, whatever it was, suffered from the same "make stuff up as we go along" issue.

Boy, this is a crappy post. I'm sorry y'all had to read it.

[jking323]

Are you talking about the "V" miniseries back in the '80s? I was just a kid, and it scared the h#ll out of me, but I think Michael Ironside was in it (the guy from Total Recall, he was also Jester in Top Gun). Not sure about Kevin Bacon, but Jan Michael Vincent of Airwolf fame was one of the leads as I recall.

So far I've seen nothing from the writers on Lost to suggest that it's all random. Everything is wrapped together somehow, sometimes very neatly, but for the most part we aren't seeing the lines that connect most of the dots. The plot is currently like looking at your garden hose in the spring and trying to figure out how to untie the God-awful knot it managed to put itself in over winter in your garage. You can see at least one end, and maybe you can follow it awhile, but you don't know how it's bent back on itself and where the lines cross. Then you start to unravel it and the water left in it spills all over you, and you get mad because you just wanted to water the d@mn yard and go watch the Reds game and...well, that metaphor got a little unwieldy, didn't it?

[RunnerKim]

I do think it is interesting that "getting what you really want" doesn't seem to necessarily have to do with the island or perhaps its now more accurate to say the present. Jack was now able to fix his patient which he really wanted and of course Walt certainly has demonstrated that as well.

I also thought the psychic told Claire she had to raise the baby and when she wouldn't then the couple in CA was "found" and she got on the flight.

Kim

[Escher]

Are you talking about the "V" miniseries back in the '80s? I was just a kid, and it scared the h#ll out of me, but I think Michael Ironside was in it (the guy from Total Recall, he was also Jester in Top Gun). Not sure about Kevin Bacon, but Jan Michael Vincent of Airwolf fame was one of the leads as I recall.

So far I've seen nothing from the writers on Lost to suggest that it's all random. Everything is wrapped together somehow, sometimes very neatly, but for the most part we aren't seeing the lines that connect most of the dots. The plot is currently like looking at your garden hose in the spring and trying to figure out how to untie the God-awful knot it managed to put itself in over winter in your garage. You can see at least one end, and maybe you can follow it awhile, but you don't know how it's bent back on itself and where the lines cross. Then you start to unravel it and the water left in it spills all over you, and you get mad because you just wanted to water the d@mn yard and go watch the Reds game and...well, that metaphor got a little unwieldy, didn't it?

You, sir, must stick around. I like the way you think.

You are right, it is the miniseries "V" that I was referring to. And yes, the other Actor's name is Michael Ironsides (Jester in top Gun)

I had Kevin Bacon confused w/ Marc Singer. Remember him? Of get this: _Beastmaster_ fame?

I am shockingly inept at names/faces.

[jking323]

THA-ats right, it was Marc Singer, not Jan Michael Vincent. He sorta dropped off the globe after Beastmaster, didn't he? Who knew that wasn't going to land him in hallowed Oscar territory?

In response to RunnerKim, at first I thought Walt was just telekinetic or something, but now it looks like the rest of the cast seems to be doing the same sort of thing, at least in some fashion.

[linsleyd]

Way to get off topic. :D
I loved V as a kid, I still remember vividly when the human giving birth to the alien baby.

[RunnerKim]

Yep I remember too - the eating of the raw liver (I think) by the pg woman. blech.

[jking323]

As I recall, she had twins, didn't she? The first one looked fine till it stuck out a forked tongue, and then the second one (and I may just have imagined this--it was a number of years ago) crawled out on it's own or something. Yeah, great TV, that.

[Escher]

Interspecies pregnancies are always a good get.

Maybe Vincent and Kate should get together.

:eek: :eek: ;)

[2HUNGRY!]

Vincent is too good for Kate.

Did anyone notice that Vincent looked different this season? Its like when someone has a baby one season and the next season the kid is six.

[jking323]

I only noticed him in the one scene right before Shannon sees Walt, and that was really dark and from a distance. Maybe he looked thinner, though, I suppose. I mean, he's stranded on a desert island, too.

[KristiB]

Maybe this has already been discussed?

I got season one on DVD and watched the finale last night.

Did anyone else notice the blonde girl on the boat that took Walt? We froze and zoomed the frame and I thought it looked like Shannon. BF thought it was Sara.

That would clarify the twin theory.

any thoughts?

[RunnerKim]

Vincent I think will end up playing an interesting role in all of this (although I doubt it'll be as father to Kate's baby ;) ) however, it bugs me that Vincent doesn't act appropriately for a Lab (not slobbering all over the people - even Walt) - but then maybe there's a twin for the dog too.

Kim

[Dahlia]

Did anyone notice that Vincent looked different this season?

A little bit of trivia: Vincent, at least for the first season, was played by a female dog. :D

Did anyone else notice the blonde girl on the boat that took Walt? We froze and zoomed the frame and I thought it looked like Shannon.

There are theories that this blond is actually Alex, Danielle's (the French lady)daughter who was stolen from her 16 years ago. According to the credits, the actress who played this blond was neither Maggie Grace (Shannon) nor the actress who played Sara.

[Loremma]

I just watched this episode again while paying attention to all the things mentioned here and have few things to add.

The guy who is in the bunker thing wakes up on what appears to be a bunk bed. Why would he use bunk beds unless someone else is living there?

When he types on the computer he types in the lottery numbers. He types 4, then space bar, then 8, then space bar and so on, then execute.

He cleans up what looks like cereal and juice, but why would he have cereal if he makes himself a protein shake, unless the person he is living with left the mess?

The logo on the locker and on the jumpsuit is a 5 sided design with some other kind of design in the center. When Desmond is talking to Jack in the stadium he has the center design on his shirt. Or it looks pretty darn close to it.

I know, I know, I think about this way too much! Cant' wait for next weeks show.

[Escher]

As a reminder, they are re-airing season two, episode one immediately before the second episode on Wednesday...

look for things you may have missed!

[Gracie]

I do think it is interesting that "getting what you really want" doesn't seem to necessarily have to do with the island or perhaps its now more accurate to say the present. Jack was now able to fix his patient which he really wanted and of course Walt certainly has demonstrated that as well.

What??? I must be really out of it. Jack didn't fix Sara in the beginning? I thought we'd seen the almost-wedding scenes and she seemed fine - certainly not in a wheelchair.

And what did Walt really want? Right now he's on that boat with those strangers.

Loren - even more confused! :rolleyes:

[lindrusso]

I finally finished watching season 1 on DVD last night, so I can finally join in and also start watching season 2. I didn't get interested in the show until it was too far in the season to really start watching, so I stopped watching and waited for the DVD to come out.

Wow, you guys picked up a lot that I missed - I will have to pay more attention when I watch!

Can't wait for Weds night!

[RunnerKim]

Gracie - there was an episode of Walt's back story when he was living with his mom that showed him "making things happen" the bird flying in to the window if I recall correctly- and the speculation that he was reading the comic book and making the polar bear appear etc and perhaps how he destroyed the raft the first time around. I don't think he controls it/means to make it happen so he can't use it when he needs it (i.e., when the people were taking him). And with Jack it's the most recent episode that really showed how much he wanted to fix her and how unlikely it should have been, but yet it happened. His fixing her had been discussed before but I don't think the extent of how unlikely it was to happen and also how much he really wanted it too happen (considering they were strangers when the met). Those are both prior to being on the island, so orignally I was athinking there was something special about Walt's abilities but perhaps its not unique to him and perhaps its not the Island that makes it possible...

does that make more sense??

Kim

[PAMMELA]

does that make more sense??

Kim



Wow, I'm even more confused - I better not read this thread any longer! :D

[Gracie]

does that make more sense??

Kim

Yes thank you! :D

Loren

[Meganator]

Did anyone notice that all the furnishings of the apartment in the beginning were 70's or 80's vintage except the front-load washer and dryer, which looked like the brand new ones sitting in my laundry room?

And, was it my imagination, or did the Desmond in the stadium have an Irish accent and the Desmond down the hatch in the end had a more English accent? - to the extent that I didn't realize at first that it was supposed to be the same guy.