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lindrusso
02-18-2006, 06:43 AM
Or not. So not.

I saw this mentioned on someone's blog and I found it fascinating and repulsive all at the same time. I had never heard of this before!

You gotta read it to believe it: http://freegan.info/

For those who don't want to click, here's a re-cap from their main page:

What is a Freegan?

Freegans are people who employ alternative strategies for living based on limited participation in the conventional economy and minimal consumption of resources. Freegans embrace community, generosity, social concern, freedom, cooperation, and sharing in opposition to a society based on materialism, moral apathy, competition, conformity, and greed.

After years of trying to boycott products from egregious corporations responsible for human rights violations, environmental destruction, and animal abuse, many of us found that no matter what we bought we ended up supporting something deplorable. We came to realize that the problem isn't just a few bad corporations but the entire system itself.

Freeganism is a total boycott of an economic system where the profit motive has eclipsed ethical considerations and where massively complex systems of productions ensure that all the products we buy will have detrimental impacts most of which we may never even consider. Thus, instead of avoiding the purchase of products from one bad company only to support another, we avoid buying anything to the greatest degree we are able.

The word freegan is derived from "free" and "vegan". Vegans are people who avoid products from animal sources or products tested on animals in an effort to avoid harming animals. Freegans take this a step further by recognizing that in a complex, industrial, mass-production economy driven by profit, abuses of humans, animals, and the earth abound at all levels of production (from acquisition to raw materials to production to transportation ) and in just about every product we buy. Sweatshop labor, rainforest destruction, global warming, displacement of indigenous communities, air and water pollution, eradication of wildlife on farmland as "pests", the violent overthrow of popularly elected governments to maintain puppet dictators compliant to big business interests, open-pit strip mining, oil drilling in environmentally sensitive areas, union busting, child slavery, and payoffs to repressive regimes are just some of the many impacts of the seemingly innocuous consumer products we consume every day.

Freegans employ a range of strategies for practical living based on our principles:

Waste Reclamation
We live in an economic system where sellers only value land and commodities relative to their capacity to generate profit. Consumers are constantly being bombarded with advertising telling them to discard and replace the goods they already have because this increases sales. This practise of affluent societies produces an amount of waste so enormous that many people can be fed and supported simply on its trash. As freegans we forage instead of buying to avoid being wasteful consumers ourselves, to politically challenge the injustice of allowing vital resources to be wasted while multitudes lack basic necessities like food, clothing, and shelter, and to reduce the waste going to landfills and incinerators which are disproportionately situated within poor, non-white neighborhoods, where they cause elevated levels of cancer and asthma.

Perhaps the most notorious freegan strategy is what is commonly called "urban foraging" or "dumpster diving". This technique involves rummaging through the garbage of retailers, residences, offices, and other facilities for useful goods. Despite our society's sterotypes about garbage, the goods recovered by freegans are safe, useable, clean, and in perfect or near-perfect condition, a symptom of a throwaway culture that encourages us to constantly replace our older goods with newer ones, and where retailers plan high-volume product disposal as part of their economic model. Some urban foragers go at it alone, others dive in groups, but we always share the discoveries openly with one another and with anyone along the way who wants them. Groups like Food Not Bombs recover foods that would otherwise go to waste and use them to prepare meals to share in public places with anyone who wishes to partake.

By recovering the discards of retailers, offices, schools, homes, hotels, or anywhere by rummaging through their trash bins, dumpsters, and trash bags, freegans are able to obtain food, beverages, books, toiletries magazines, comic books, newspapers, videos, kitchenware, appliances, music (CDs, cassettes, records, etc.), carpets, musical instruments, clothing, rollerblades, scooters, furniture, vitamins, electronics, animal care products, games, toys, bicycles, artwork, and just about any other type of consumer good. Rather than contributing to further waste, freegans curtail garbage and pollution and lessening the over-all volume in the waste stream.

mbrogier
02-18-2006, 06:58 AM
There's some truth in what their model is, but I think a total societal reform would grind the economy to a halt. I've rummaged around in dumpsters before, and you can find interesting things. Some companies actually damage the goods they throw away so others can't profit from them. I know retailers like Target and Walmart throw a lot of their returns away instead of reselling them. Some of them are recovered. I think it would be good if more were recovered or even donated to charities.

I try not to throw something away and get a new one "just because". I value quality and would rather purchase an item once. I do enjoy finding second hand furniture and refinishing it. I think the freecycle.org group is great for recycling consumer items.

I think the Freegan model smacks a bit of the ancient cynical philosophy. I think it is great to limit the spiral of excess consumer consumption, but it's another matter to not buy any consumer goods at all because "they're evil". If you took that logic all the way back, you'd be sitting in a cave with no electricity, running water, sewer or clothing. Actually, it sounds just like cynicism

Chefzhat
02-18-2006, 07:00 AM
They have some valid points, but dumpster diving? Riiiiight.

Micah makes a great point about the economic process grinding to a halt.

Boy, some people are so wierd!

Debie

Aubergine
02-18-2006, 07:04 AM
based on what you posted...hmm. i don't disagree with some of their principles, but i also don't see this as a meaningful protest movement that will ever change things one iota.

goodness knows, i've picked up furniture on the street, and a few other items, all in excellent condition. in our neighborhood, people put stuff out knowing someone will spot it. on garbage day there are scavengers that come through our streets looking for stuff to pick up. but that's different from rummaging through trash, and the food part is troubling.

isn't it against the law to pick through someone's trash??

mbrogier
02-18-2006, 07:15 AM
Actually it isn't against the law. Anyone can go through your trash. I know that some federal cases have had evidence collected from trash, but nothing that wasn't public domain (curb trash) could be used. Because of this many companies send out all their paper trash to shredding companies that recycled the shredded paper as packing materials or post-consumer product.

When we had horses, my mom would dive in the dumsters for carrots and apples to feed them. She loved to rummage around in dumpsters. I think it would have been less embarrassing to a teenager if she hadn't driven a mercedes. It was an old mercedes but still... :rolleyes: I'm a lot less uptight now, and if it meant saving a lot of money, I'd climb in a dumpster that didn't contain food or icky stuff.

Jazzmatazz49
02-18-2006, 07:55 AM
I cannot believe this website is serious and not a parody.

newtricks
02-18-2006, 09:13 AM
By recovering the discards of retailers, offices, schools, homes, hotels, or anywhere by rummaging through their trash bins, dumpsters, and trash bags, freegans are able to obtain food, beverages, books, toiletries magazines, comic books, newspapers, videos, kitchenware, appliances, music (CDs, cassettes, records, etc.), carpets, musical instruments, clothing, rollerblades, scooters, furniture, vitamins, electronics, animal care products, games, toys, bicycles, artwork, and just about any other type of consumer good. Rather than contributing to further waste, freegans curtail garbage and pollution and lessening the over-all volume in the waste stream.

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I find it funny that they're congratulating themselves for rejecting the consumer lifestyle but then they're celebrating the fact that they get those same consumer goods from dumpsters. Why not go all the way and simply reject things like rollerblades and scooters, videos, comic books, etc. altogether? Ever heard of making all your own food?

Don't know, just find that part odd.

lindrusso
02-18-2006, 10:26 AM
I find it funny that they're congratulating themselves for rejecting the consumer lifestyle but then they're celebrating the fact that they get those same consumer goods from dumpsters. Why not go all the way and simply reject things like rollerblades and scooters, videos, comic books, etc. altogether? Ever heard of making all your own food?


Exactly. If they were on some kind of commune, rejecting all these things they think are manufactured by the big, bad, unethical companies, that would be one thing. But they are not doing without, they are just not paying for it! I call that freeloading. Nothing noble about that.

If they were in a communal living arrangement, growing their own food, raising their own lifestock (or living a vegan lifestyle) living without modern conveniences, etc. - that would be entirely different.

jmarie
02-18-2006, 10:49 AM
dumpster diving

If you don't understand this concept, apparently you haven't lived around a college town....or I guess maybe you haven't been a college student who lives near a dumpster in the spring. :cool:

It seems like those graduating throw away everything they can't get in a car. DD got a nice entertainment center that she has used for 4 or 5 years now. She overheard a conversation where a girl was trying to get help dragging her couch and love seat to a dumpster. DD intervened and got DH to go get it and she used that until last summer. (about 4 years)It was a really pretty couch and love seat. There were lamps, gosh, it's been awhile, can't remember everything. But sometimes you can get good stuff in the spring.

Also, a friend told me that she had to go behind a Radioshack Store one time. They had thrown away a ton of electronics. Most were broken but some took little repair or some just needed fresh batteries.

DH saw a bunch of old antique license plates and he picked them up and we have sold them here and there and made about 100.00 selling them. DS saw a jadite bowl, he knew I collected Jadite and he picked it out and brought it to me.

Personally, I wouldn't go dumpster diving. But if there is something there that I saw that I wanted or thought I could recycle it, I wouldn't hesitate to pick it up.
Joyce

cminmd
02-18-2006, 11:11 AM
I don't think they expect to change the system, but they are making the moral decision not to support something they don't believe in. I don't see how that is cynical?
When I worked at a restaurant we donated our Saturday food to a group that wold bring it to a food shelter on Sunday. The restaurant was closed Sun and Mon so any fresh food and meat that couldnt be refrozen was donated. Nothing wrong with any of it, but most places would just toss it out. I think it is great they don't let it go to waste.

lindrusso
02-18-2006, 11:22 AM
I don't think they expect to change the system, but they are making the moral decision not to support something they don't believe in. I don't see how that is cynical?

Well, I don't know if it's cynical, but it's certainly hypcritical. They are still using the products from the companies they feel are evil and immoral, they just aren't paying for them. So, they want to enjoy that CD player, but they aren't going to pay for it. Just doesn't sit right for me.

And you have to go on and read the site. It goes much, much farther than what I've quote here. Freegans believe that housing should be free - so they squat. They also are largely unemployed - they think it's a waste of time to work and spend their lives paying bills. :rolleyes: Again, freeloaders trying to justify their lifestyle.

I've even heard an interesting argument from people who feel these people SHOULD NOT dumpster dive because they are taking away from folks who really need the food. These people choose to be unemployed and are taking resources away from those who cannot help themselves, like the mentally ill who are homeless.

You really need to read more - it's not just a recycling group - I probably did a disservice to quote only part of the page.

At the very least, you need to read these two sections to realize the strangeness of it all:

Rent-Free Housing
Freegans believe that housing is a RIGHT, not a privilege. Just as freegans consider it an atrocity for people to starve while food is thrown away, we are also outraged that people literally freeze to death on the streets while landlords and cities keep buildings boarded up and vacant because they can’t turn a profit on making them available as housing.

Squatters are people who occupy and rehabilitate abandoned, decrepit buildings. Most squatters are freegan. Squatters believe that real human needs are more important than abstract notions of private property, and that those who hold deed to buildings but won’t allow people to live in them, even in places where housing is vitally needed, don’t deserve to own those buildings. In addition to living areas, squatters often convert abandoned buildings into community centers with programs including art activities for children, environmental education, meetings of community organizations, and more.

Working Less / Voluntary Joblessness
How much of our lives do we sacrifice to pay bills and buy more stuff? For most of us, work means sacrificing our freedom to take orders from someone else, stress, boredom, monotony, and in many cases risks to our physical and psychological well-being.

Once we realize that it's not a few bad products or a few egregious companies responsible for the social and ecological abuses in our world but rather the entire system we are working in, we begin to realize that, as workers, we are cogs in a machine of violence, death, exploitation, and destruction. Is the retail clerk who rings up a cut of veal any less responsible for the cruelty of factory farming than the farm worker? What about the ad designer who finds ways to make the product palatable? How about the accountant who does the grocery’s books and allows it to stay in business? Or the worker in the factory that manufacturers refrigerator cases? And, of course, the high level managers of the corporations bear the greatest responsibility of all for they make the decisions which causes the destruction and waste. You don't have to own stock in a corporation or own a factory or chemical plant to be held to blame.

By accounting for these basic necessities like food, clothing, housing, furniture, and transportation without spending a dime, freegans are able to greatly reduce or altogether eliminate the need to constantly be employed. We can instead devote our time to caring for our families, volunteering in our communities, and joining activist groups to fight the practices of the corporations who would otherwise be bossing us around at work. For some, total unemployment isn’t an option — it’s far harder to find free dental surgery than a free bookcase on the curb — but by limiting our financial needs, even those of us who need to work can place conscious limits on how much we work, take control of our lives, and escape the constant pressure to make ends meet. But even if we must work, we need not cede total control to the bosses. The freegan spirit of cooperative empowerment can be extended into the workplace as part of worker-led unions like the Industrial Workers of the World.

OY.

Gumbeaux
02-18-2006, 11:23 AM
They have some valid points, but dumpster diving?

Yeah, if staying out of debt means dumpster diving, I'd rather be in debt!

mbrogier
02-18-2006, 10:36 PM
Cynicism as a philosophy is not the same as what we consider to be "cynical". They basically sound like the Greek equivalent of "freegans".

I also found it hypocritical that they denounce everything about modern society, but instead of going to a Walden Farm type philosophy and practice they just freeload on the society that they detest. I'm not seeing how their existance makes anything any better.

HejazSunKat
02-19-2006, 05:40 AM
Feel free to call me cynical but why do I suspect there's probably more than a little public assistance money ending up in the pockets of so-called Freegans?

Lrimerman
02-19-2006, 08:14 AM
I agree that the concept is valid, but their methods don't jive with the ultimate goal.

I do a lot of freecycle. It is a yahoo based group (there are several local ones here) where you post items you want or are offering and then others will respond and pick up.

We have gotten rid of a lot of stuff that would end up in the landfill and we have gotten a few items that were someone else's discards (books are one I tend to get). This is much nicer in my opionion than dumpster diving as you are arranging to swap, etc.

Lisa

mbrogier
02-19-2006, 03:02 PM
Feel free to call me cynical but why do I suspect there's probably more than a little public assistance money ending up in the pockets of so-called Freegans?

I was thinking the same thing. The article also said that most squatters were freegans. :confused: So now when I'm hit up for money walking through Chicago, I have to screen for alcholics, drug addicts AND freegans? :rolleyes:

tbb113
02-21-2006, 11:05 AM
Okay, so instead of being a Freegan, you can become a Compactor (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thecompact/) . They were on the radio today and it was a pretty interesting idea/challenge.

tamawrite
02-21-2006, 08:08 PM
Yeah, but y'all have to admit that never before or since have you heard dumpster diving described as a "technique." :D


That said, I agree that this group sounds like yet another bunch of lazy a$$es that are the reason I don't believe in welfare.